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erez's avatar

Hi Phil, I enjoyed reading this, there's some i agree with and some i disagree with, however, with all due respect, i would pretty strongly disagree with reading bebop as a "music school thing" and being born from people just showing off and trying to burn each other with more and more skill and language. I actually think the textural, aesthetic, and conceptual aspects of bebop are under-appreciated, and there's a lot that can be related to free music and creative improvised music.

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I strongly support the fact that bebop in general and Charlie Parker in specific don't appeal to you. Something I've learned over many decades of listening to jazz (I also play jazz and write about it), is that no matter how much an artist is interesting and worthy, I vote with my ears. Meaning: as interesting as it may be, I seldom listen to that artist or recording. I tend to say "it doesn't suit me "or "it's not for me."

Another thing I've learned to do is to nott project or psychologize where an artist is coming from or why an artist does something if the artist has not specifically said so.

You write that bebop:

was kind of a music-school thing. It’s the kind of music you get when a bunch of young, talented men get together in a room, night after night, and start showing off for each other. "Listen to what I came up with!” “Oh, yeah? Well, how about this?” And on and on, at lightning speed. Which is exactly why it continues to appeal to many young jazz musicians.

That does not strongly describe bebop to me. I know that some of the young musicians are who participated in the jam sessions at Minton's were competitive, but many were not, and that competitiveness was strongly in place during the swing era, according to some accounts a musicians of that era. (I'm referring to the tradition of "cutting contests.")

Ironically, what you describe at the end of that passage describes prevalent attitudes in today's musicians who come out of jazz studies programs at universities and conservatories! I taught at the University Of Oregon school of music for many years, and I've seen that unfortunate attitude from a fair number of young jazz students very often, and they're playing exemplifies that. And, speaking of Parker, they may have learned some Charlie Parker licks and solos, but they miss the whole emotional side of his music! And, bebop does not really appeal to those young players – – saxophonist would rather sound like Mark Turner than Charlie Parker.

Thank you for your posting!

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